Curse

ricocheting · Mar 21, 2008, 11:28 PM // 23:28

i'm with Talarian & N8mare. your assumption that someone is a goldseller just because they have a lot of something, or a wide variety of something is .... yeah ....

when i bother to sell items, i usually will list 4-5 kinds of +30hp mods in a single ad. it tends to sell better. same with tomes. no powerseller in their right mind tries to sell one item at a time. it completely kills your profit because you waste so much time trying to sell something that has "meh" value at best (like tomes). the only way you make a decent profit is if you stock them up till you have enough to warrant sitting in a trade district for a couple hours trying to sell everything at once.

that said, I personally would have no problem obtaining items from someone that was a "professional farmer."

dubiel005 · Mar 21, 2008, 11:29 PM // 23:29

buying from gold farmers? wtb unid gold 7=3k

Bryant Again · Mar 21, 2008, 11:34 PM // 23:34

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Originally Posted by DivineEnvoy

Nonetheless, the trade itself is still legal. How the seller will make the use of the gold gained from the trade is really his or her own responsibility. Therefore, for being the buyers of these items, we have only participated the legit part of the game with these sellers, and we aren't responsible to what they do with the gold; hence, that's why they are banned if they breach EULA, while we still have rights to keep playing the game.

Doesn't matter if it's legal or not. You *are*supporting them when you give them your gold when you buy something from them, unknowingly or not. You can't be held responsible for it and you may have good intentions, but the fact remains that the gold seller is still walking away with more money to sell online.

DarkWasp · Mar 21, 2008, 11:35 PM // 23:35

Gold sellers and buyers?

TO HELL WITH THEM!

DivineEnvoy · Mar 21, 2008, 11:44 PM // 23:44

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Originally Posted by guolisong

Because do you get 100k a day from merching whites and purples? No I don't think so. If you've ever seen a gold seller company ad they sell buy 100k not 100g.

Actually I can, but it would be boring and tiring for me.

Secondly, gold selling companies tend to use bots to farm their gold, and I'm not sure what do they do with the drops, but from the way I see how fifty Monks would hug the merchant in one of those towns, I'm guessing they do sell their drops to the merchant.

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Originally Posted by guolisong

Stop arguing with me here and go to hot spring yourself, put up an wtb ad and see what kind of sellers you get. I speak Chinese, and I've bought from Chinese gold farmers. If you speak Chinese go ask them. No it's not prejudice because I actually talk to Chinese gold farmers and that's how I know if that satisfy your curiosity.

Chinese people are not the only ones that play this game, and I'm certain that Chinese people are not the only ones that farm in such manner either.

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Doesn't matter if it's legal or not. You *are*supporting them when you give them your gold when you buy something from them, unknowingly or not. You can't be held responsible for it and you may have good intentions, but the fact remains that the gold seller is still walking away with more money to sell online.

What's really the point of knowing this? Will you stop to trade with other players just because any one of them can be these gold sellers?

Bryant Again · Mar 21, 2008, 11:47 PM // 23:47

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Originally Posted by DivineEnvoy

What's really the point of knowing this? Will you stop to trade with other players just because any one of them can be these gold sellers?

lol, no. As stated above I could care less about how much gold someone has. The most expensive items do nothing but be rare and look different. I'm only merely pointing out that "you are only supporting gold sellers if you purchase gold with your money in real life" is not true.

N8mare · Mar 21, 2008, 11:53 PM // 23:53

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Originally Posted by Talarian

If you're going to talk about economics, do it properly. There are two main types of goods - normal goods and inferior goods.
Normal goods are things like rare skinned weapons and rare minipets. And prices for these HAVE been going up.

Compare the prices of eternal blades, crystallines, pandas or such "normal goods" over the last several months and stop talking nonsense.

DivineEnvoy · Mar 21, 2008, 11:53 PM // 23:53

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

lol, no. As stated above I could care less about how much gold someone has. The most expensive items do nothing but be rare and look different. I'm only merely pointing out that "you are only supporting gold sellers if you purchase gold with your money in real life" is not true.

I agree with you, but what I'm concerning with is the bandwagon effect that will be placed with these kinds of threads. Before we know it, we'll probably have people who will assume that they are violating EULA because they happen to support gold sellers in this sense, and eventually we'll have threads made by people who would like to demand their accounts not to be terminated by Anet and a whole other things. In short, wouldn't it be easier to end this with the previous given statement?

Malice Black · Mar 21, 2008, 11:55 PM // 23:55

I've bought tons of stuff from gold sellers/farmers. This is why I have every mod possible unlocked on my account.

Talarian · Mar 21, 2008, 11:55 PM // 23:55

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Originally Posted by N8mare

Compare the prices of eternal blades, pandas or such "normal goods" over the last several months and stop talking nonsense.

Yes, because economic trends happen on a day-to-day basis (/sarcasm). There is no way at all that 2 years ago top end items cost thousands of ectos, because that sort of money simply didn't exist. And guess what? Neither did RMT companies...

Bryant Again · Mar 21, 2008, 11:57 PM // 23:57

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Originally Posted by DivineEnvoy

I agree with you, but what I'm concerning with is the bandwagon effect that will be placed with these kinds of threads. Before we know it, we'll probably have people who will assume that they are violating EULA because they happen to support gold sellers in this sense, and eventually we'll have threads made by people who would like to demand their accounts not to be terminated by Anet and a whole other things. In short, wouldn't it be easier to end this with the previous given statement?

It's already been brought up countless times on Riverside. Given the fact that those threads don't last too long (please take no offense Quoli), I don't think much is going to happen.

If we *do* see a lot large intake of people making threads say "WELL YOU LETS PEOPLE BUY STUFF FROM GOLDSELLERS," then they're gonna be full of stupid because as a player there's no way to tell if you're buying from one.

Talarian · Mar 22, 2008, 12:03 AM // 00:03

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Originally Posted by guolisong

The point of this is to show their RMT policy does nothing as long as the bandwagon effect plays. Anyone that has a brain knows assuming everyone's a gold farmer is simply stupid. I specifically said go to hot springs international and that's where a good portion of the gold farmers do their trade at.

Do you not think there will be a knock-on effect from the banning of RMT companies (if the policy works) of stopping these people from even bothering? If there is no RMT to sell the gold to, there is no point trading in the first place.

Bryant Again · Mar 22, 2008, 12:04 AM // 00:04

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Originally Posted by guolisong

There are obvious ones that you can tell. My SS says all.

In his defense he may just be avoiding the text limit.

Talarian · Mar 22, 2008, 12:09 AM // 00:09

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Originally Posted by guolisong

I believe they said they ban about 5000+ accounts per week. I'm not sure what you meant about banning RMT companies? How do you ban a company? I know the gold farmers I talk to get banned regularly yet they get new accounts soon enough anyway.

They used to be able to only ban accounts. Now they can both ban IP addresses, and deny access to non-fixed IPs. This means that the RMTs would have to repeatedly get new phone lines, new ISPs and all sorts of other things that it shouldn't be worth their effort to do. In theory.

Talarian · Mar 22, 2008, 12:20 AM // 00:20

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Originally Posted by guolisong

I've yet seen a reduction of gold farmers in HSI since that RMT was out. I'm not sure how much profit those companies make buy selling in game gold. Here is what I know gold farmers get paid 20RMB for 100k, which is about 2.67 dollars. And with players actively engage in the act of purchasing from gold farmers, weekend events are like boosts frankly.

What is it with you people and everything being instant? Give it time, the RMT companies probably have several thousand phone lines they use between them, it will take time to ban them all.

DivineEnvoy · Mar 22, 2008, 12:25 AM // 00:25

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Originally Posted by guolisong

How long do you think it takes you to get to 100k by merching? Certainly not 1 day.

For me, it is possible to do it in one day.

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Originally Posted by guolisong

Quoting your question How do you know that?

That's what Anet has been telling us.

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Originally Posted by guolisong

The point of this is to show their RMT policy does nothing as long as the bandwagon effect plays. Anyone that has a brain knows assuming everyone's a gold farmer is simply stupid. I specifically said go to hot springs international and that's where a good portion of the gold farmers do their trade at.

Technically, one of the current problems is these bots and gold selling companies will come back after being banned, because they can reuse the IP address or by running proxy. The current policy will eliminate the latter part. As far as I know, players of Guild Wars cannot access the same information that Anet employee's have accessed to. Hence, when we speculate people to be gold sellers when we trade with any of them is merely assumptions. However, when Anet employee's speculate people to be gold sellers, they can check logs as well as observing the person while in they are playing the game to see if there's any suspecious movements.

Talarian · Mar 22, 2008, 12:29 AM // 00:29

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Originally Posted by guolisong

lol...how long will that take a couple months? I'm sure active buyers for the gold farmer and gold company will keep them alive for a very long time ooh maybe when gw2 comes out they'd die out and move on to gw2

Might take up to 6 months, there are several hundred thousand active players, they can't keep tabs on them all at the same time. If you want to flame the RMT policy, start another thread. And you'll get burned in there as well.

enter_the_zone · Mar 22, 2008, 12:38 AM // 00:38

Buying items from people who WTS is a game mechanic. I want the item, he wants the cash, it's all kosher in game. What he does with the gold isn't my concern, but if I feel it's a bot, I'll report it.

DivineEnvoy · Mar 22, 2008, 12:46 AM // 00:46

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Originally Posted by guolisong

Outside of hotspring? Do not think so

You need to stop making assumptions.

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Originally Posted by guolisong

They do not keep trade logs because I'm sure they said they can't do anything to help those who mistakenly purchased items that worth 1k for 10k instead.

Those are two different issues. It is unknown whether the person is attempting to flame the credibility of the seller by paying extra. Also, items have a price range, which they may cost from 1k to 10k, and just because someone overpaid the item by purchasing the item from its highest price, it doesn't imply that the seller is a scammer of any sort. Relevantly, when both parties hit the accept bottom, they both accept the deal made in the trade; if we are going to have a rollback every time people regret to a deal that they agreed to, that will just screw up the game. Knowing this, it is only logical to not deal with these sort of problems, and just because of this, it does not imply that Anet does not keep trade logs.

Tijger · Mar 22, 2008, 12:57 AM // 00:57

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Originally Posted by guolisong

I'm not asking your opinion on gold farmers I'm asking for the opinion on purchasing from gold farmers.

If I know its a gold farmer I wont buy, period.

And if all the dumbasses who buy gold online for real money would stop the problem would be solved anyway.